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Re: Community Conversation
« Reply #850 on: September 08, 2016, 11:26:05 pm »

WHOA!

THERE'S A LOT OF SHIT-TALKING ON THIS SITE!

More than I imagined, anyway.

I WANNA TALK SHIT AS WELL!

... Uh... Slash is a bitch... ?
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« Reply #851 on: September 08, 2016, 11:26:39 pm »

If 3J plays favorites why was I banned from CYS for the longest time? I've known the dude for years, he's a good guy, and above all else makes sure what he does is fair and right. Probably the most intelligent person on the forum as well.

Meanwhile Kiel was caught doing some shady shit and acting like a kid who got his toy token away. Just cause he's a nice guy doesn't mean he should be put in a position of authority on the site.

Probably the most important part here, is acknowledging how completely and utterly retarded the whole argument over there was. CYS is just a website, and being a mod there is just a title for that one website. Getting worked up about something as insignificant as that just doesn't seem like its good for anyone's health. If Kiel hadn't gone around trying to "draw up support" or whatever else has been implied by his behavior, and dragging 3J's name and character in the mud, it'd be whatever. Just enjoy the lulz and move on, that type of deal, ya dig?

But, of course, people decided to get their dicks hard for defending Kiel, and others got their dicks hard for attacking him return.

Whether you're on one side of the spectrum or the other, you're stupid. Dangerously so. With all the things going on in the world, I literally cannot see one single reason to give even the most miniscule of Farks about the moderators bickering in this matter.

But go ahead and continue bickering, Soundstorm, Taco, Dreamkiller. Enjoy wasting precious moments of your life being worked up over such an inconsequential matter.
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« Reply #852 on: September 08, 2016, 11:26:45 pm »

Lol, if only 3J actually acted like a dictator, and we could just rid ourselves of anyone irritating instead of letting them stay around to let everyone know how mad they are.

It's funny. Because if he was this horrible big bad wolf, wouldn't he have just banned Kiel and all his sympathizers in a Stalin style gulag death sentence from the start?

Option 1) Listen to people complain at you with uncomprehending words.
Option 2) Ban them dissidents with righteous fury. (Then sign their e-mail accounts up for daily porn newsletters.)

Which option would an internet dictator take?

I mean seriously... come on now.
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« Reply #853 on: September 08, 2016, 11:29:55 pm »

It's funny. Because if he was this horrible big bad wolf, wouldn't he have just banned Kiel and all his sympathizers in a Stalin style gulag death sentence from the start?

Option 1) Listen to people complain at you with uncomprehending words.
Option 2) Ban them dissidents with righteous fury. (Then sign their e-mail accounts up for daily porn newsletters.)

Which option would an internet dictator take?

I mean seriously... come on now.

Wait, do they seriously have daily porn newsletters?
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« Reply #854 on: September 08, 2016, 11:33:49 pm »

Wait, do they seriously have daily porn newsletters?

There's a newsletter for everything.
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« Reply #855 on: September 08, 2016, 11:42:12 pm »

There's a newsletter for everything.

By which Bucky means, pm me later and I can link you my 437 favorites and 213 daily ones :)

Everyone was bashing each other so thought I'd join in just as pointlessly as everyone else.

Sry Bucky, you were just the last to post ;)
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« Reply #856 on: September 08, 2016, 11:46:54 pm »

The more the merrier.
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« Reply #857 on: September 08, 2016, 11:56:32 pm »

Soundy, seriously. As amusing as the picture you're trying to paint is, it falls hard in the face of reality.

"3J is dictator! He said stuff I don't like"
And if he is a dictator, how come a lot of people who've said some fairly horrendous and meanspirited things still kicking around, blithely? Yourself included?

"Kiel is an innocent victim in all this! His good name is being dragged through mud"
yes, yes it is. By Kiel, mostly. Seriously, those PM's were unflattering to him, to an nth degree. He has mastered the ancient art of sticking his foot in his mouth, and kicking himself in the head.

"Grrr! Trolls! They're trolls, all of them!"
Also cute. Seeing as the term seems to now encompass anyone who you don't like, regardless of what they've written, you've shot a hole in that boat, ill-founded as it was to start with.

"I am Farking sunshine and light"
Boom, out the gate, start swearing and carrying on like a tit.

It's cute, it really is. Dumb as hell, but cute.
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« Reply #858 on: September 09, 2016, 12:07:21 am »

It's cute, it really is. Dumb as hell, but cute.

No, but your face is!

(Come on people, this is almost as stupid as possible but I'm sure we can drag it down one last notch with kindergarten insults!)
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« Reply #859 on: September 09, 2016, 12:09:12 am »

Lol, if only 3J actually acted like a dictator, and we could just rid ourselves of anyone irritating instead of letting them stay around to let everyone know how mad they are.

Christ yes. 3J, look upon what your patience has wrought, and take the easier and more practical path.

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Probably the most important part here, is acknowledging how completely and utterly retarded the whole argument over there was. CYS is just a website, and being a mod there is just a title for that one website.

This too, cannot be emphasized enough. If you're not enjoying messing around in a thread like that, or if the site is actively making you miserable, then don't inflict it on yourself, ffs. The internet is for fun. It is also quite large. All of us very privileged individuals who have the means and leisure time to use it aren't exactly limited in other entertainment options.

Most posters seemed to be there because they wanted to be, it's always just those two or three with the genuine tears and rage that send things off the rails. Never sure if it's some kind of genuine inability to control themselves or failure to read a situation or what, but either way it's a huge red flag for massively out of whack priorities.  These ppl need the silly knocked out of them and it's a service we're glad to provide whenever possible. :) 
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« Reply #860 on: September 09, 2016, 12:23:12 am »

"Grrr! Trolls! They're trolls, all of them!"
Also cute. Seeing as the term seems to now encompass anyone who you don't like, regardless of what they've written, you've shot a hole in that boat, ill-founded as it was to start with.

I mean, you guys can be productive, but calling you trolls isn't exactly a stretch. You spend much of your time Farking with and insulting others for a reaction, which is trolling 101.

But damn, the Kiel supporters really are doubling down on things. I'm not overly surprised, given he's got a pretty loyal following, but the weirdest part is he even says in his explanation of things that he was basically on his way out before being demoted.

So he wasn't happy on CYS and was leaving anyway, meaning him losing admin really didn't matter at the end of the day.
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« Reply #861 on: September 09, 2016, 12:30:43 am »

I think everyone is just mad that there's a 15 year old replacing him.
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« Reply #862 on: September 09, 2016, 12:38:56 am »

I mean, you guys can be productive, but calling you trolls isn't exactly a stretch. You spend much of your time Farking with and insulting others for a reaction, which is trolling 101.


This has come up before, but I think an important distinction is that we always let the other side go first. I barely ever make threads and I'm always happy to talk about anything writing related or with an actual point, but I'm not exactly going to worry about making a mess on the floor when the house is built from shit to begin with or I see the ones who always like to do the most crying in there just smearing it around.

Plus there's always that tipping point where a thread starts sliding rapidly downhill, and then who cares what anyone does, it's all going to explode at the bottom either way.
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« Reply #863 on: September 09, 2016, 01:20:08 am »

This has come up before, but I think an important distinction is that we always let the other side go first. I barely ever make threads and I'm always happy to talk about anything writing related or with an actual point, but I'm not exactly going to worry about making a mess on the floor when the house is built from shit to begin with or I see the ones who always like to do the most crying in there just smearing it around.

Plus there's always that tipping point where a thread starts sliding rapidly downhill, and then who cares what anyone does, it's all going to explode at the bottom either way.

Almost always. Steve calling that girl a retard or sexist is one of the occasions where someone from your "group" went first. <----- that sentence is Farking stupid and I'm actually really annoyed that you're referred to as a "group". I'd really like to kill that terminology because it's actually counterproductive to getting along. But yeah, in general, someone will say something really asinine and then Steve or Bucky or Mizal or Ivy or whomever will trounce them for it. In my opinion, that's definitely not trolling. Trolling would be looking to incite a reaction, whereas in almost all cases, people are themselves reacting. If anything, the "group" is easily trolled.

I have a few other things to say:

  • Edit: Not really worth saying.
  • Thank you very much for all of the kind words from everyone else. I really agree with the notion that the internet is a fun place and you shouldn't really be investing a ton of energy into things if it's not fun. It is really nice to hear from you guys because this past day has not been fun at all. Seriously, it means a lot. I'm not one to be baring my emotions out on a public forum (douche) but it's a big deal to me.
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« Reply #864 on: September 09, 2016, 01:24:21 am »

Kill the tyrant! Down with the dictatorship! Death to 3J!
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« Reply #865 on: September 09, 2016, 01:26:09 am »

Hey 3J I know me and you have got a history when it comes to me wishing death upon people, but I'm cool this time, right?

Don't kick me outta here too man, I don't have anywhere to go since the manager caught me in the McDonald's dumpster.
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« Reply #866 on: September 09, 2016, 01:30:50 am »

Hey 3J I know me and you have got a history when it comes to me wishing death upon people, but I'm cool this time, right?

Don't kick me outta here too man, I don't have anywhere to go since the manager caught me in the McDonald's dumpster.

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« Reply #867 on: September 09, 2016, 01:39:41 am »

You haven't even talked to me, dude, and I don't expect you to. Don't even bother if you don't have time.
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« Reply #868 on: September 09, 2016, 02:01:57 am »

Iavatus told Kiel to slit his wrists??? Jesus Farking Christ man, there's a limit to this shit.
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« Reply #869 on: September 09, 2016, 02:23:17 am »

You haven't even talked to me, dude, and I don't expect you to. Don't even bother if you don't have time.

I edited my post out. It wasn't an appropriate thing to post in public, regardless of how I feel about you. I'm sorry.
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« Reply #870 on: September 09, 2016, 02:34:52 am »

Why am I getting the reboot thought of that guy who had a fullmetal alchemist avatar and then ragequit the site?

I mean regardless of the bitching and whining he did I actually kinda liked his storygames...if theyre around still.

Honestly tho if I ran the site I'd just start booting people at playa's list.  I mean just think about all the bitching and whining they'd do in another site!  OH THE POSSIBILITIES WOOHOO!

Option 2) Ban them dissidents with righteous fury. (Then sign their e-mail accounts up for daily porn newsletters.)

Which option would an internet dictator take?

I mean seriously... come on now.

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« Reply #871 on: September 09, 2016, 02:48:44 am »

3J: eh. No worries. You don't have to like or agree with me on things, after all.
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« Reply #872 on: September 09, 2016, 02:59:52 am »

3J: eh. No worries. You don't have to like or agree with me on things, after all.

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« Reply #873 on: September 09, 2016, 06:29:01 am »

Almost always. Steve calling that girl a retard or sexist is one of the occasions where someone from your "group" went first. <----- that sentence is Farking stupid and I'm actually really annoyed that you're referred to as a "group". I'd really like to kill that terminology because it's actually counterproductive to getting along.

but but but we're all in 'crews' now, didn't you get the memo??? Everyone will be changing their avs for the CYS turf war. Or was it going to be a high seas battle? I'm unclear on this, but, details.
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« Reply #874 on: September 09, 2016, 09:02:01 am »

2) Every other mod/admin said no, but you went ahead and demoted Kiel and replaced him with end.

4) You chased away Seth and Kiel. Leaving only berka, who doesn't like what's happening and has just given up on doing anything and is just going with the flow. ...

Hmm, #2 seems inaccurate, mostly because I didn't know about anything before it happened - meaning I could not have said 'no'.

As for #4, I support 3J here, in that Kiel mishandled Administrative Powers in a major way, which could do way more harm to CYS from the inside than Ryder could have from the outside with all his annoying crap.

I also support both Killa and EndMaster as CYS Mods. Promoting both of them was discussed months ago as additional forces against poor forum posting behavior. With Sethaniel taking some time off and Kiel going off-script, it only made sense to pull the two prior candidates to the fore to fill in the void.
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« Reply #875 on: September 09, 2016, 10:03:35 am »

Its pretty clear Killa and End are the two best choices for moderators anyway. Seems more of a surprise Kiel was chosen before either of them than anything.
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« Reply #876 on: September 09, 2016, 10:39:04 am »

I support Steve for mod. And president.

This reminds me, I've been meaning to post my Politician bio. I'll dig it up when I get home.

I feel like 3J is probably right that I've been letting myself get trolled lol. This was like an epiphany for me, reading that this morning.
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« Reply #877 on: September 09, 2016, 10:41:12 am »

Since we are giving our opinions on Moderators, I'd like to say that even though I think 3J is a cool dude, I don't think he's been cys' best mod. Always thought Seth and BZ did the best, and most consistent moderation on the site. Sometimes it seems that 3J does an action without consulting other mods or acts as a final arbriter, while moderators should be mostly equal (with admins being on the highest level).

Not to say I disagree with the decision, but I think it could have probably been handled more effieciently.
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« Reply #878 on: September 09, 2016, 11:13:58 am »



I... I can't decipher the meaning of this post.

It hurts me.
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« Reply #879 on: September 09, 2016, 11:36:31 am »

Can we bring Zero back and mod him?
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« Reply #880 on: September 09, 2016, 11:39:28 am »

Pretty sure 3J is an admin, Aman. Has been for about five years now, lol.

Also, I'd be down for bringing Zero back. October too. Hunt em down 3J.
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« Reply #881 on: September 09, 2016, 11:48:08 am »

I... I can't decipher the meaning of this post.

It hurts me.

Jesus Farking Christ Swift, what the Hell?
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« Reply #882 on: September 09, 2016, 12:15:00 pm »

Since we are giving our opinions on Moderators, I'd like to say that even though I think 3J is a cool dude, I don't think he's been cys' best mod. Always thought Seth and BZ did the best, and most consistent moderation on the site. Sometimes it seems that 3J does an action without consulting other mods or acts as a final arbriter, while moderators should be mostly equal (with admins being on the highest level).

Not to say I disagree with the decision, but I think it could have probably been handled more effieciently.

JJJ is pretty much the head mod. Not actually sure if he has more access or powers, but that's his rank so far as I'm aware.

Though I could be wrong.
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« Reply #883 on: September 09, 2016, 01:02:28 pm »

True, but the problem is that he doesnt act that way at all. He disapears wit no notice throuout the year. And then whenever he shows up, he shakes up what the other mods were doing. Which is just beyond silly. (Still lub u 3J)
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« Reply #884 on: September 09, 2016, 01:15:46 pm »

Since we are giving our opinions on Moderators, I'd like to say that even though I think 3J is a cool dude, I don't think he's been cys' best mod. Always thought Seth and BZ did the best, and most consistent moderation on the site. Sometimes it seems that 3J does an action without consulting other mods or acts as a final arbriter, while moderators should be mostly equal (with admins being on the highest level).

Not to say I disagree with the decision, but I think it could have probably been handled more effieciently.

Well, considering that you're not really privy to behind-the-scenes talk, this sounds like a very uneducated decision. I'll admit that I mostly acted alone this time, but in general, a lot of consultation dose take place. Before the 'New Site Guidelines' for instance, there was talk in mod central. What is true though, is that I don't mind playing the villain and taking the brunt of the popular ire, apparently yours included. I think that's an efficient way to run a site and it's very deliberate.

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True, but the problem is that he doesnt act that way at all. He disapears wit no notice throuout the year. And then whenever he shows up, he shakes up what the other mods were doing. Which is just beyond silly. (Still lub u 3J)

Yep, disappearing is bad. However, everytime I show up again, things seem to have gone off the rails. I'm definitely partially to blame for the mess (for disappearing) but the 'shaking up' isn't 'beyond silly' because it does right the ship. A WC/racist free CYS is a better CYS.
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« Reply #885 on: September 09, 2016, 01:51:02 pm »

3J, I am privvy, ha ha. At least back when I was active on cys ha ha. (Tans secret method of Moderator Forum reading)

You don't have my ire, in general I have agreed with you. Just saying that it could be done better
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« Reply #886 on: September 09, 2016, 04:09:16 pm »

I can't say 3J has ever made me feel 'shaken up' though as a CYS Mod.
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« Reply #887 on: September 09, 2016, 04:17:33 pm »

When I see “Administration Shake” in the main forums, I keep thinking of that horrible “Harlem Shake” song a few years back.
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« Reply #888 on: September 09, 2016, 06:25:18 pm »

Okay, finally home, and it's Friday thank God. LOL I got about 4 hours of sleep last night and barely any writing done because there would be new posts every time I refreshed that thread. Meanwhile my Steam library is collecting dust and my computer remains untested because who needs games when you have CYS. 

That thread was moving so fast last night but now that it's had time to be reflected on a little more, my main takeaway was that it's still impressive it stayed so civil most of the day. I mean considering that Bucky can't even make a thread about writing on a writing site without people with no interest in participating randomly wandering in to destroy it. (Plus, lap squirming. Ew.)

tl:dr seems to be that absolutely no one understands what the 'P' in PM stands for, most are satisfied or at least accepting of 3J's decision once the facts came out, some aren't nearly paranoid enough to live in this century or understand why site security is so important (though we all use CYS, so lol), and the usual few decided to argue shrilly about how Steve and I or whoever are getting vague, unspecified special privileges because we're good writers (Uh. I've never even published a story?) and this is super unfair ...while also insisting Kiel shouldn't have had admin powers even temporarily removed in spite of his actions. Because he's a good writer. (Meanwhile, I'm still waiting on my special privileges to arrive in the mail. It's quite exciting and mysterious because absolutely everyone who's talked about them have refused to give details.)

Thara has trotted out the one single trolling trick in her arsenal in three threads in rapid succession now and it's getting dull and samey (briefly entertaining watching her attempt to apply it to 3J but, only a little) though her whole attitude even when someone is trying to have a normal or civil discussion with her is pretty toxic IMO. She was even a bitch to Axiom and ffs, Axiom is like Soothing Professionalism incarnate. Bucky has expressed great shame and regret for ever thinking she was cool and must flog himself with barbed wire twice a day for the rest of the month as atonement.

Taco and Slasher are unstable children.

Soundstorm continues her streak of 100% of her posts here and on CYS being complaints and nasty little jabs fueled by hate, while apparently, honestly still under the impression she has some kind of moral high ground and is a nice person.

Really, the whole trend of  *parachutes into thread* 'You mother Farking asshole bitch shitting cunts should be more nicer and stop with the mean words!!!' *screams and fires into the crowd with assault rifle* is still funny on a few levels, but I'm starting to feel it'd be better to stop taking the bait altogether. It just becomes people who have no interest in participating in the site outside of their RPs or screwing around on the Lounge and bitching about whatever distracting the people who are on a writing site for the stories.

Anyway, I'm saddened that 3J doesn't want us all forming into 'crews' and having a gang war because that was the only good idea Soundstorm ever had. Bucky had an overlooked suggestion last night though and so based on that, can I at least request that, instead of '3J vs Kiel' which is boring, history frames this and all the other recent spats as 'Writing Workshop vs Forum Games'? 

Also Axiom should totally be made a mod too, as long as we're having opinions on this kind of thing. Sorry but she is so much classier than all the current ones put together, and good at shutting people up. (I think it's the avatar, it's intimidating.)   
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« Reply #889 on: September 09, 2016, 06:38:19 pm »

Iavatus told Kiel to slit his wrists??? Jesus Farking Christ man, there's a limit to this shit.

Ivy made a dark joke. He didn't tell anyone to slit their wrists.

Pretty close paraphrase of what Ivy said in its entirety: Remember, horizontal for attention, vertical for business.

In the context, a fair number of people didn't even understand what he was referencing, as he was just replying to some mundane post that consisted of flailing or whining or bitching something else along those lines.
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« Reply #890 on: September 09, 2016, 06:44:58 pm »

I didn't make any jabs at anyone, I simply agreed with what someone else said?
I've actually been talking to 3J over Pm, too. I might not agree with everything he says, but he's certainly polite and reasonable, and we seem to be okay with mutually disagreeing with each other on some points.
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« Reply #891 on: September 09, 2016, 07:16:39 pm »

No-one can say you didn't learn weaselling from the best. Even a cursory glance in your current history reveals that to be not entirely truthful, and with saved logs? Well, moving the goalposts doesn't actually change reality, or perceptions of you.
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« Reply #892 on: September 09, 2016, 07:24:36 pm »

I'm such a troll that it's always you replying to my posts and causing massive derails that always end up being deleted, right? I'm glad that you're always talking about me. In the IRC chat, privately, on Cys and even here it seems. I know that I don't think about you as much as you do me, it doesn't seem healthy.

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« Reply #893 on: September 09, 2016, 07:28:00 pm »

I'm such a troll that it's always you replying to my posts and causing massive derails that always end up being deleted, right? I'm glad that you're always talking about me. In the IRC chat, privately, on Cys and even here it seems. I know that I don't think about you as much as you do me, it doesn't seem healthy.

Who are you again?
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« Reply #894 on: September 09, 2016, 08:03:15 pm »

Ivy made a dark joke. He didn't tell anyone to slit their wrists.

Pretty close paraphrase of what Ivy said in its entirety: Remember, horizontal for attention, vertical for business.

In the context, a fair number of people didn't even understand what he was referencing, as he was just replying to some mundane post that consisted of flailing or whining or bitching something else along those lines.

Oh, yeah, that's not nearly as cringe worthy, lol. Pretty funny, actually.
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« Reply #895 on: September 09, 2016, 09:47:23 pm »

Also Axiom should totally be made a mod too, as long as we're having opinions on this kind of thing. Sorry but she is so much classier than all the current ones put together, and good at shutting people up. (I think it's the avatar, it's intimidating.)   

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« Reply #896 on: September 09, 2016, 10:38:52 pm »

Also Axiom should totally be made a mod too, as long as we're having opinions on this kind of thing. Sorry but she is so much classier than all the current ones put together, and good at shutting people up. (I think it's the avatar, it's intimidating.)   

I really don't see what the big rush to be a mod is. It's not exactly like being elected Judge of the Mega City, in fact, it's quite a bit like getting sent into the wastes to give law back to the primitives and mutie scum that inhabit Cursed Earth.
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« Reply #897 on: September 09, 2016, 10:41:39 pm »

Bringing law to the lawless!
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« Reply #898 on: September 10, 2016, 02:14:43 am »

I really don't see what the big rush to be a mod is. It's not exactly like being elected Judge of the Mega City, in fact, it's quite a bit like getting sent into the wastes to give law back to the primitives and mutie scum that inhabit Cursed Earth.
Yeah, I've done the forum mod thing before, and it's a thankless pain in the ass. My condolences to End and Killa. You don't even get a shiny different-colored name to milk for a fake sense of importance.
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« Reply #899 on: September 10, 2016, 04:54:00 am »

BTW Aman, I love you too bro.
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